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Zoltan's avatar

What's with your obsession with growth? You must realise that we can't escape our problems by growing when a lot of them are a result of that growth. Surely even the most gung ho of capitalists must have an inkling that growth of itself is not an answer to everything. That it delivers costs as well as benefits, and these costs are, ironically, growing, and some of them are permanent. As the costs build up, it should be obvious that the sort of growth that our monopoly capitalist exploitative and environmentally destructive system has been delivering will in the end lead to collapse.

The great burst of growth from the industrial revolution until about the 1990s was on the back of coal then oil and gas. Without that, it would not have happened. The energy cost of energy fell dramatically from the late 18th to the late 20th centuries, but has since risen quite sharply. The downsides of this growth - the pollution, impact on nature, vast waste dumping, climate effects - are rising steeply and surpassing the ability of the earth to deal with. The world has filled up with us and our stuff yet we still act as if it is a limitless resource. Infinitely renewable. It isn't.

Since the 1970s the GPI has not risen, despite the world GDP doubling. We don't need growth, we need development - i.e. improvements for the mass of humanity rather than an ever increasing concentration of "wealth" and the accompanying concentration of political power around the interests of the wealthy. The uncontrolled greed of the billionaires and the unconstrained power of finance are growing exponentially. That is all the growth we will see - a cancerous, diseased growth that is killing the planet we depend on for life. So, please, move on from this 1970s thinking. This is 2026 and we need answers that are based on where we are now, not some fantasy from 50 years ago. Face up to the truth. Growth is over, its now about how to maintain a sustainable lifestyle for everyone within the capacity of the planet to support life.

I know economists and financiers don't get this - they don't seem to grasp the fundamentals of thermodynamics, or of ecology. But, stop with the delusional thinking. Please!

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Very helpful analysis.

Q: High growth under Thatcher, but wasn't some/a lot of that due to North Sea Oil?

I'm a catastrophist though, with increasing fascism, AI and climate breakdown a perfect storm is coming and probably quite soon. UK should invest heavily in infrastructure to provide food (more dams, drainage, farmer support) plus green power sources and more guns/drones. They will do some of that but not enough to make a significant difference.

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